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  Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« on: August 26, 2010, 11:33:04 AM » by Lynn Doiron
A white pick-up, creased with rust,
parked alongside a washboard road
with a washing machine weighting the truck bed.  
A power pole marks a driveway’s end.  There’s
a cable looped down and plugged in, hijacking
current from above.  And a garden hose
filling the tub.  A woman stands on
the tailgate, sorts whites from colors,
an earlier load spread over fence lines
to dry on the way to being worn under
another sun.




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  Re: Wash Day, En Route to Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2010, 12:28:42 PM » by Tom Riordan
It took me a few minutes to put it all together, Lynn, but what a scene! Amazing and lovely. At first I misread that the "cable looping down" connects the current to the "yard beyond" rather than to the machine in the truckbed -- and then I placed the whole next S in the "yard beyond" too.
The "creased with wrinkles" seems redundant.
This whole picture, nits and misreads aside, both real and surreal in a transcendent way. Tom
A white pick-up, creased with wrinkles,
soiled with rust, parked alongside
a washboard road.  A washing machine

weights the truck bed.  A power pole
marks an address, a drive, a yard beyond,
and a cable looping down connects
hijacked current from above.  

There’s a yellow garden hose filling
the tub and a woman sorting whites
from colors, a previous load spread
over fencelines to dry under a sky

filled with frosted grapes and sun.



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  Re: Wash Day, En Route to Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2010, 12:35:43 PM » by Lynn Doiron
Needs work, I know.  At present, seems to ask "And? So?  Your point being?"  Not to mention a need for clarity as to the whole.  thanks for the looksee and comments.  ;)
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  Re: Wash Day, En Route to Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2010, 12:42:17 PM » by Tom Riordan
Needs work, I know.  At present, seems to ask "And? So?  Your point being?"  Not to mention a need for clarity as to the whole.  thanks for the looksee and comments.  ;)
No, I disagree, never for a moment will this poem ask "Your point being"! A bit more clarity in laying out the mechanics of the picture is all, maybe.
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  Re: Wash Day, En Route to Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2010, 03:01:53 PM » by Lynn Doiron
Made several changes; deleted the yard and added a line near the end.
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  Re: Wash Day, En Route to Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2010, 03:01:58 PM » by Tiko Lewis
No, I disagree, never for a moment will this poem ask "You point being"! A bit more clarity in laying out the mechanics of the picture is all, maybe.

this is a wonderful picture
of a foreign land.  i'd change
nothing.  only read the edited
version, but i needed no point.

thanks,

tiko
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  Re: Wash Day, En Route to Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2010, 03:46:44 PM » by Lynn Doiron
edits are thanks to nudging by tom.  and a line added gets me closer to a current exploring tasks, or jobs we undertake, in whatever way or by whatever means are available. 

thanks, tiko.  guess i'll move this to Submit.  ;)
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  Re: Wash Day, En Route to Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2010, 04:58:19 PM » by larry jordan
Lynn, I read this and firstly thought as you noted, "so?' Then still in that frame of mind thought about the peculiarity of the scene, realizing that the peculiarity only exists in the witness and in this case witnesses with access to this convenience without the gerry-rigging of the described entrepreneur. Then I wondered how the poem would read to the woman standing in the bed of the pickup. What kind of sense or reaction would it elicit? How would she construe the scene or react to its being considered a poem. I often wondered if the people in Agee's Let Us Now Praise Famous Men ever got to see their pictures and if they comprehended how they were being viewed in the volume after being sold to patrons of bookstores.


Given the circumstance, perhaps the language could be even more stark and end at sky after changing it to sun?

It would distance the work further from any poetic conceit.

larry
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  Re: Wash Day, En Route to Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2010, 05:18:43 PM » by Lynn Doiron
Your wonderings have prompted me to further adjust this one, Larry.  I think it may be closer now, but am too close at the moment to know.  thanks.

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  Re: Wash Day, En Route to Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2010, 05:42:34 PM » by larry jordan
Lynn, I think it works. It is not as pretty as couplets or neat stanzas, but the scene is not described to be pretty or some quaint travelogue note. Those kind of images flow from Dineson or Forrester -- 'oh look at the quaint natives.'

larry
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  Re: Wash Day, En Route to Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2010, 06:01:05 PM » by Lynn Doiron
I think I like this better.  I may biff the En Route to and leave the title with local only.  Valle Guadalupe is Baja sur wine country -- acres and acres of vines and small wineries, a few larger wineries, too.  Long dirt roads between the cellars and tasting rooms.  I've witnessed these washing machines on p.u. trucks a few times; I love how a simple thing like having the washer but no well and no power doesn't get in the way of laundering what needs  to be laundered! 
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2010, 10:26:55 PM » by Tom Riordan
[edit 2]

A white pick-up, creased with rust,
parked alongside a washboard road
with a washing machine weighting the truck bed. 
A power pole marks a driveway’s end.  There’s
a cable looped down and plugged in, hijacking
current from above.  And a garden
hose filling the tub.  A woman stands on
the tailgate, sorts whites from colors,
an earlier load spread over fence lines
to dry on the way to being worn under
another sun.
After "to dry," I don't feel like anything is being said.
Can't agree that the energy of the poem is "look at the quaint natives" at all. I don't think the strangeness is not in the eye of the beholder, but inherent in the appropriation of a large artifact from one world being plugged into use in an entirely different world.
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2010, 11:04:29 PM » by Sue Lozynskyj
Love this Lynn.  The polish you've rubbed up with your editing! I agree with your biffing thoughts about the title.  As to the end, I wonder if you nixed the last two lines and said something more about the woman, or the truck driver instead, it might have even more impact. 
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2010, 12:31:23 AM » by Lynn Doiron
After "to dry," I don't feel like anything is being said.
Can't agree that the energy of the poem is "look at the quaint natives" at all. I don't think the strangeness is not in the eye of the beholder, but inherent in the appropriation of a large artifact from one world being plugged into use in an entirely different world.

Hi, Tom.  Thanks for staying with this one.  I'd hoped that what happened after "to dry" was the sense of an ongoing cycle [wash rinse dry wear wash etc.], the sense of you live, you work, you do it cleanly, simply.

Which brings me to Sue's comments
Love this Lynn.  The polish you've rubbed up with your editing! I agree with your biffing thoughts about the title.  As to the end, I wonder if you nixed the last two lines and said something more about the woman, or the truck driver instead, it might have even more impact. 
particularly in regard to last lines and changes to add something more about the woman or truck driver or man.  Will think on this, let it rest, and think on it some more -- but I rather like the idea [at the moment] of a duller ending; seems as if it says something about the scene/chore/steadiness of still getting it done.  (However, I may think differently tomorrow.)

Thanks all for suggestions and comments.  You've helped me mucho!
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2010, 01:25:10 AM » by cherylleverette
My first thought was 'wow, do people still do that?'.  I think my only nit is I liked to know more about how the woman feels.  Some men can do these sorts of things all day long and never give it a thought.  But a woman -- that's her laundry, it's part of the way she takes care of her family whom she loves.  What woman could be happy doing that?  She must be deeply sad inside.

cheryl

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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2010, 08:58:36 AM » by larry jordan
Lynn, My comment was that your edits precluded any chance that the poem would sound as one of those travelogue quips. I did not mean, as Tom read, to infer that the poem's energy comes from or is akin to such quips. Language is such a tricky thing...Note from the comments how the poem transforms readers into witnesses projecting feelings.

larry
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2010, 03:59:21 PM » by Sue Lozynskyj
meant to also say...

Creased with rust...Wow!
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2010, 04:11:23 PM » by Tom Riordan
Lynn, My comment was that your edits precluded any chance that the poem would sound as one of those travelogue quips. I did not mean, as Tom read, to infer that the poem's energy comes from or is akin to such quips. Language is such a tricky thing...Note from the comments how the poem transforms readers into witnesses projecting feelings.

larry
sorry, larry, for misconstruing. tom
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2010, 02:05:55 AM » by Tiko Lewis
love the new ending to this, Lynn.
it reads the same, but i see the
shavings lying about. 

enjoyed again.

thanks,

tiko
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2010, 02:56:07 PM » by Lynn Doiron
thanks, tiko.  it's been whittled down quite a lot.  thought i'd post the trail of edits below and clean up the Submit post. [didn't want to lose the path this one's taken or forget the help i've had along the way].

;)

[edit 2]

A white pick-up, creased with rust,
parked alongside a washboard road
with a washing machine weighting the truck bed.  
A power pole marks a driveway’s end.  There’s
a cable looped down and plugged in, hijacking
current from above.  And a garden
hose filling the tub.  A woman stands on
the tailgate, sorts whites from colors,
an earlier load spread over fence lines
to dry on the way to being worn under
another sun.


[edit 1]

A white pick-up, creased with wrinkles,
soiled with rust, parked alongside

a washboard road with a washing machine
weighting the truck bed.  A power pole

marks a driveway’s end.  There’s a cable
looped down and plugged in, hijacking

current from above.  And a garden
hose filling the tub.  A woman stands

on the tailgate, sorts whites from colors,
an earlier load spread over fence lines

to dry on the way to being worn under
a sky of frosted grapes and sun.




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A white pick-up, creased with wrinkles,
soiled with rust, parked alongside
a washboard road.  A washing machine

weights the truck bed.  A power pole
marks an address, a drive, a yard beyond,
and a cable looping down connects
hijacked current from above.  

There’s a yellow garden hose filling
the tub and a woman sorting whites
from colors, a previous load spread
over fencelines to dry under a sky

filled with frosted grapes and sun.




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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2010, 03:02:28 PM » by Lynn Doiron
Larry -- in re your comment below -- never a worry here, and, thank you.  yes, i had noticed the comments and the feelings of readers.  pretty cool, to my way of thinking.  and very helpful. 

Lynn, My comment was that your edits precluded any chance that the poem would sound as one of those travelogue quips. I did not mean, as Tom read, to infer that the poem's energy comes from or is akin to such quips. Language is such a tricky thing...Note from the comments how the poem transforms readers into witnesses projecting feelings.

larry

sue, tiko and tom -- thanks again, all, for further views and thoughts on this one.  Much appreciated.

ld
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2010, 03:54:33 PM » by David C. Man
This is working for me as a vivid picture, Lynn. Bright and memorable.

Cheers

David
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2010, 05:31:25 PM » by Sue Lozynskyj
A white pick-up, creased with rust,
parked alongside a washboard road
with a washing machine weighting the truck bed. 
A power pole marks a driveway’s end.  There’s
a cable looped down and plugged in, hijacking
current from above.  And a garden
hose filling the tub.  A woman stands on
the tailgate, sorts whites from colors,
an earlier load spread over fence lines
to dry on the way to being worn under
another sun.



Still coming back with pleasure to this Lynn.  It's so down to earth, playful and lovely, using washing words throughout.

this line break tho', bumps me each time

....And a garden
hose filling the tub.
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2010, 06:15:13 PM » by maggie flanagan-wilkie
A few thoughts on this.

A white pick-up, creased with rust,
parked alongside a washboard road—
a guilty machine weighting the truck;  
power pole marking the driveway’s end;
a cable looped, pllugged in, hijacks current
from above. Tailgate woman sorts whites
from colors—an earlier load loads a fence
facing the sun.

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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2010, 10:48:04 PM » by Lynn Doiron
thanks, maggie.  appreciate the look and suggestions.

and thanks, sue.  glad this brought you back.  will look at the bump you mentioned in line breaks.

best,
ld
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2010, 10:31:25 AM » by Tom Riordan
The woman in the truckbed being the one sorting "time", managing the "cycle", is a great image and it's a shame if reader misses it. Especially with the rusted truck demonstrating a different time cycle than the clothes. I don't know about other readers, but I don't really pick it up from last few lines, as they are. Something like

to dry on the way to being soiled under
another sun.

might reinforce it.
Or something else?
Hey, don't look at me, I'm just the greedy reader, you're the poet here! Tom

A white pick-up, creased with rust,
parked alongside a washboard road
with a washing machine weighting the truck bed.  
A power pole marks a driveway’s end.  There’s
a cable looped down and plugged in, hijacking
current from above.  And a garden hose
filling the tub.  A woman stands on
the tailgate, sorts whites from colors,
an earlier load spread over fence lines
to dry on the way to being worn under
another sun.
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2010, 10:59:43 AM » by Lynn Doiron
Not a bad suggestion, Tom.  'soiled' vs. 'worn' ---
hmmm. 
dirty, stained, unclean vs. the double duty of 'affected by wear' and 'the act of wearing'
It's a tiresome thing, laundry, and also working for the pesos to buy gas to keep in the tank of that old truck.  Any of this make any sense as an argument to hold onto 'worn'?
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2010, 11:02:43 AM » by Tom Riordan
L1-3 certainly paint a picture of the truck being "worn." I'm not sure the woman being tired too is better than letting her constrast with the truck, being a regenerative, optimistic, albeit hardworking, figure. I don't know. It's such a rich picture, there are many ways to view it. Tom
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2010, 11:07:56 AM » by Tom Riordan
Our Lady of Guadalupe is something of a fertility figure I believe, which fits in well, but same questions: labor is hard labor, as well as regenerative, optimistic.
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2010, 11:12:46 AM » by Tiko Lewis
it's time to move this. 

tiko
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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2010, 01:52:35 PM » by Lynn Doiron
thanks tom and tiko.  missed these last two comments and the move -- much appreciated.  i'm still considering suggestions offered along the way.  thanks, all.

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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2010, 05:12:15 PM » by Tom Riordan
Lynn, I wonder if Richard Wright's "bend in strange winds, respond to the warmth of other suns, and perhaps, to bloom" from Black Boy, and Isabel Wilkerson's (wonderful) new book on the South-North migration, The Warmth of Other Suns, might have any bearing on your last line. Tom
A white pick-up, creased with rust,
parked alongside a washboard road
with a washing machine weighting the truck bed.  
A power pole marks a driveway’s end.  There’s
a cable looped down and plugged in, hijacking
current from above.  And a garden hose
filling the tub.  A woman stands on
the tailgate, sorts whites from colors,
an earlier load spread over fence lines
to dry on the way to being worn under
another sun.





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  Re: Wash Day, Valle Guadalupe
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2010, 05:20:05 PM » by Lynn Doiron
Not intentionally, Tom.  But very cool if the phrasing takes a reader's thinking off into other directions/connections.
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